{"id":5090,"date":"2010-11-01T01:05:00","date_gmt":"2010-11-01T01:05:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/onlygunsandmoney.com\/2010\/11\/01\/grnc-vs-nra\/"},"modified":"2019-08-16T18:12:17","modified_gmt":"2019-08-16T18:12:17","slug":"grnc-vs-nra","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/onlygunsandmoney.com\/?p=5090","title":{"rendered":"GRNC vs NRA"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class='__iawmlf-post-loop-links' style='display:none;' data-iawmlf-post-links='[{&quot;id&quot;:11898,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com\\\/2010\\\/09\\\/tackiness.html&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/web-wp.archive.org\\\/web\\\/20250524201112\\\/https:\\\/\\\/onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com\\\/2010\\\/09\\\/tackiness.html&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-04-19 07:26:20&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-04-26 21:00:25&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200}],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-04-26 21:00:25&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200},&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:18780,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/guntalk.libsyn.com\\\/guntalk-2010-10-17-part-a&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/guntalk.libsyn.com\\\/guntalk-2010-10-17-part-a&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:null,&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:18781,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/guntalk.libsyn.com\\\/guntalk-2010-10-17-part-b&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/guntalk.libsyn.com\\\/guntalk-2010-10-17-part-b&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:null,&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:18782,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/www.snowflakesinhell.com\\\/2010\\\/10\\\/31\\\/circular-firing-squad-perhaps-the-best-we-can-do&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:null,&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;}]'><\/div>\n<p>I received the email below from the NRA-ILA on Saturday. It was sent to NRA members living in western North Carolina. They are reacting to Grass Roots North Carolina&#8217;s radio ads and mailers attacking Congressman Heath Shuler (D-NC-11) in his re-election efforts.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><i>Shooting Straight About Congressman Heath Shuler<\/p>\n<p>Dear John Richardson:    <\/p>\n<p>A group purporting to support the Second Amendment is either grossly misinformed or deliberately attempting to mislead voters in North Carolina&#8217;s eleventh congressional district about the record of Congressman Heath Shuler. <\/p>\n<p>In their communication, they claim that Congressman Heath Shuler &#8220;brokered House passage of the misnamed DISCLOSE Act &#8211; legislation that would require gun &#8216;orgs&#8217; . . . to REPORT MEMBERSHIP LISTS to the federal government . . .&#8221;  In fact, Congressman Shuler filed an amendment (http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/382njjf) to H.R. 5175 with the House Rules Committee to exempt all 501(C)(4) non-profit organizations that fund election activities with individual contributions from the adverse effects of this legislation.  While that is not the amendment eventually adopted by the House, it was Congressman Shuler&#8217;s effort to change this legislation. It is important that you know the real story about this legislation and not be misled by others who seem to have their own agenda.<\/p>\n<p>Congressman Heath Shuler tried to protect the First Amendment rights of all gun rights organizations.  He has consistently voted to protect our Second Amendment rights and he has earned our endorsement and support.<\/p>\n<p>On November 2, Vote Freedom First -Vote Heath Shuler for Congress!<\/p>\n<p>NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION INSTITUTE FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION<\/i><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\nGRNC responded to this email with one of their own to their members and supporters. As I am a member of both organizations, I got both emails.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><i>GRNC-PVF Alert 10-31-10:<\/p>\n<p>NRA&#8217;s Shot in the Dark for Shuler<\/p>\n<p>In defending their endorsement for HEATH SHULER, NRA lashes out at a<br \/>\n&#8220;group purporting to support the Second Amendment&#8221; claiming that the<br \/>\nunnamed organization is &#8220;either grossly misinformed or deliberately<br \/>\nattempting to mislead voters in North Carolina&#8217;s eleventh<br \/>\ncongressional district about the record of Congressman Heath Shuler.&#8221;<br \/>\nOh really?<\/p>\n<p>They further state that &#8220;Congressman Heath Shuler tried to protect<br \/>\nthe First Amendment rights of all gun rights organizations,&#8221; and that<br \/>\nShuler &#8220;has consistently voted to protect our Second Amendment rights<br \/>\nand he has earned our endorsement and support.&#8221; Is that a fact? Well,<br \/>\nlet&#8217;s see&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>DISCLOSE ACT, THE FACTS<\/p>\n<p>Where do we start? After finishing scratching our heads over how much<br \/>\nof a champion of the First Amendment (not to mention the Second<br \/>\nAmendment on which he has a GRNC 0% voting record) &#8212; according to the<br \/>\nNRA &#8212; Shuler is, the question occurs of why the NRA waited to remove<br \/>\ntheir opposition to the DISCLOSE Act until their champion Shuler<br \/>\nintroduced an amendment with an exemption so narrow that the only<br \/>\nSecond Amendment organization that was exempted was THEM. Of course<br \/>\naccording to their latest communication, they are the only true<br \/>\ndefenders of the Second Amendment and everyone else simply &#8220;purports&#8221;<br \/>\nto support the Second Amendment.<\/p>\n<p>So, why does a congressman with a ZERO percent voting record on the<br \/>\nSecond Amendment suddenly get a favorable rating from NRA after<br \/>\ncutting a deal to allow them to be the only 2A organization who is<br \/>\nallowed to speak without having to turn over their donor list to the<br \/>\ngovernment during an election cycle?<\/p>\n<p>So, what would the DISCLOSE Act do to 2A groups not fortunate enough<br \/>\nto have an anti-gun politician willing to go to bat for them? <\/p>\n<p>Organizations such as GRNC, Gun Owners of America and CCRKBA will be<br \/>\neffectively banned from engaging in political debate. The demand would<br \/>\nbe on such organizations to enumerate their donors any time they issue<br \/>\nany kind of campaign advocacy ad. <\/p>\n<p>Along with that it also does the following:<\/p>\n<p>* Bans political speech by government contractors and TARP recipients<br \/>\nbut not unions with collective bargaining agreements with the<br \/>\ngovernment or unions who receive dues from government payroll<br \/>\ndeductions.<\/p>\n<p>* Imposes legally unsound limitations on coordinated communications<br \/>\nbetween federal candidates and organizations &#8211; possibly subjecting<br \/>\ncandidates to investigations and fines for activity they don&#8217;t know<br \/>\ntook place.<\/p>\n<p>* Creates highly complex reporting requirements &#8211; unlikely to impact<br \/>\nunions &#8211; that would have high compliance costs and disproportionate<br \/>\neffects on small businesses.<\/p>\n<p>* Places more stringent &#8220;stand by your ad&#8221; requirements on<br \/>\norganizations than candidates by forcing organization heads and top<br \/>\nfunders to appear in ads, stating their organizations&#8217; names up to<br \/>\nfive times.<\/p>\n<p>* Deliberately and recklessly seeks to affect the 2010 elections by<br \/>\ntaking effect in 30 days without waiting for the FEC to issue<br \/>\ninstructions and rules so people can follow the law and avoid criminal<br \/>\nand civil punishment.<\/i><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\nGRNC and the NRA have clashed for years on the best way to  advance gun rights in North Carolina. The best comparison I can give  between the two organizations is that GRNC is the Tea Party movement and  the NRA is the Republican establishment (even though I know that the R  doesn&#8217;t stand for Republican). The former uses guerrilla tactics to wage  the battle for gun rights while the latter believes in the set-piece  battle. The NRA believes compromise is often needed in order to advance  the cause of gun rights while GRNC finds compromise anathema. GRNC and  its leadership can sometimes be intemperate in their actions while often the  NRA on the state level has been temperate to the point of  ineffectiveness.<\/p>\n<p>A couple of weekends ago on Tom Gresham&#8217;s GunTalk radio show, Tom had Chris Cox on the show to ask him about the NRA taking all the credit for the McDonald decision (among other things). Tom didn&#8217;t think much of it and I have previously called it <a href=\"http:\/\/onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com\/2010\/09\/tackiness.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">tacky<\/a>. Cox was&nbsp; both very dismissive as well as defensive about it. <\/p>\n<p>Chris Cox argued that the NRA was &#8220;the tip of the spear&#8221; in the battle for Second Amendment rights. He went on to say that the criticism of the NRA only helps the opponents of the Second Amendment. Cox thought the Brady Campaign and their allies will use any conflict between the NRA and other gun rights organizations as a means to hurt our Second Amendment rights. If this is truly what Chris Cox thinks, then why did he allow the organization which he heads, the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, to send out an email attacking another gun rights organization? Doesn&#8217;t this contradict what he just said should <b>not<\/b> be done?<\/p>\n<p>You can listen for yourself <a href=\"http:\/\/guntalk.libsyn.com\/guntalk-2010-10-17-part-a\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/guntalk.libsyn.com\/guntalk-2010-10-17-part-b\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a>. It is towards the end of Part A and it begins again in Part B.<\/p>\n<p><b>UPDATE:<\/b>&nbsp; For another perspective on the NRA-ILA&#8217;s actions, you should <a href=\"http:\/\/www.snowflakesinhell.com\/2010\/10\/31\/circular-firing-squad-perhaps-the-best-we-can-do\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">read the comments of Sebastian <\/a>at the Snow Flakes in Hell blog. He may have a better perspective of the thinking of the insider&#8217;s in the NRA than I do.<\/p>\n<p>As my comments on his blog makes clear, I feel the NRA comes across like a bully in this situation. By doing so, they serve to publicize and legitimize Grass Roots North Carolina. The stronger organization shouldn&#8217;t need to respond to a provocation by the smaller state organization. However, as Sebastian alludes to in his comment back to me, the GRNC attacks on Shuler may be cutting much closer to the bone than either the NRA or Shuler is comfortable with and the NRA felt they had to respond.<\/p>\n<p>I wonder if similar emails have gone out in Davidson County to NRA members regarding NC House Majority Leader Hugh Holliman who is also a NRA endorsed candidate and GRNC target. Holliman, for those not familiar with NC politics, did nothing to prevent an anti-gun committee chair from bottling up a bill on the Castle Doctrine in committee.<\/p>\n<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I received the email below from the NRA-ILA on Saturday. 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