“Allegedly Plotting to Overturn” Stein’s Veto Of Permitless Carry

The hyperbole used by the anti-rights forces is always amusing even if it is downright disingenuous.

My case in point. I received a press release about an hour ago from an Olivia Eguia representing a trio of Bloomberg organizations. They included Everytown, the Demanding Moms, and the Demanding Students (or is it petulant Gen Z’ers).

Included in the press release is a quote from a Mary Lahr Cain who reportedly is a volunteer with the Demanding Moms. Ms. Cain, if her LinkedIn profile is to be believed, was the editor of a defunct weekly newspaper out of Fuquay-Varina called the Cleveland Post.

“After Governor Stein stood up for public safety and the will of North Carolinians, extremist Republican lawmakers are allegedly working behind closed doors to override his veto last week and make this dangerous bill law before their constituents even know what’s happening,” said Mary Lahr Cain, a volunteer with North Carolina Moms Demand Action. “I’m outraged that our legislators would do this in secret instead of listening to the people they were elected to represent. Our families deserve transparency and laws that keep us safe — not political games and backroom deals that put lives at risk.”

OMG! Those evil Republicans are working behind closed doors to carry out their constitutional duties under Section 22 of the North Carolina Constitution. I would go on to note that the committee hearings on SB 50 – Freedom to Carry NC – were open to the public in both houses of the General Assembly. Moreover, the votes on the bill were done in public and a roll call vote was held.

What the anti-rights forces are calling “the will of North Carolinians” is nothing more than a poll, which with the right wording, can be made to favor any position you want.

In his veto message, Gov. Josh Stein (D-NC) said, “authorizing teenagers to carry a concealed weapon with no training whatsoever is dangerous.” I am all for training regardless of whether a permit is required or not and for people of all ages However, teenagers age 18 and older can currently carry a weapon with no training whatsoever. They just are required to do it openly and that is their constitutional right per State v. Kerner (1921) Those with criminal intent already ignore the law and will carry in whatever manner they choose. Seriously, what is a misdemeanor penalty of 30 days for a first offender when compared to 17 years for armed robbery?

Lest anyone forget, a majority of the states in the US currently allow permitless concealed carry. The addition of North Carolina would bring the total number to 30 with five out of the 10 largest states allowing it.

Cherry-picking statistics to bolster your argument is not a convincing way to win. Looking at what has not happened in the states that have adopted permitless concealed carry is more instructive. That is, blood has not run in the streets.

To conclude, sure there are politics involved with any bill. It was political that the General Assembly passed SB 50, it was political that Gov. Josh Stein vetoed the bill to appease his constituency, and it will be political how and when the Republican leaders choose to hold an override vote.

Permitless Concealed Carry Up For Vote In NC

The North Carolina General Assembly has posted the calendar for the House of Representatives for Wednesday, June 11th. Of note is that SB 50 – Freedom to Carry NC – passed out of the House Rules, Calendar, and Operations of the House Committee today. It has now been placed on the House Calendar for its Second and Third Readings tomorrow

SB 50 passed the Senate on March 20th. I am unclear if there remain any differences in the bills between the two chambers. If not, then it goes to Gov. Josh Stein (D-NC) who will, in all likelihood, veto the bill.

It is time to light up your representatives in the NC House urging them to pass this bill. The Dems will probably ignore you but it never hurts to put some pressure on them. The Republicans need to be made to understand that anything other than a Yea might cause them to lose their seat.

For North Carolinians – Ring Bell

Rep. John Bell IV (R-Wayne) is the chairman of the House Rules Committee. It is in his committee that HB5 – NC Constitutional Carry Act – is stuck. The Senate has already passed SB50 which is their version of the bill and HB5 has passed through the House Judiciary 2 Committee. All it needs for a floor vote is a positive vote in Rules.

Grass Roots North Carolina issued an alert yesterday evening asking for people to contact Bell’s office tomorrow and ask him to move the bill. If you read between the lines it is saying that GRNC-PVF will work hard to re-elect representatives like Tricia Cotham (R-Mecklenburg). Cotham, you may recall, was the the representative who switched from the Democrats to the Republicans after all the abuse she took for being absent on the day the veto override was held on the repeal of the pistol purchase permit. That she was being treated for long Covid didn’t matter to the progressive wing of the Democrats.

So put this on your to-do list for tomorrow morning:

LET’S RING JOHN’S “BELL” 
Said GRNC president Paul Valone, “Rules Chair John Bell, when asked about both permitless carry bills currently in his committee, gave the usual politician song-and-dance about how he “needs to be sure we can get 72 votes” to override Steins inevitable veto (which is not possible), further vacillating with Who will defend our members in marginal districts?

My direct answer to Bell was, “You won’t know whether you get 72 votes until you take the vote, and the GRNC Political Victory will give cover to any House member in a marginal district who votes for it. We need a vote in the Rules Committee on permitless carry, Rep. Bell.

Since he is apparently not convinced, it’s time “RING” Rep. Bell  and make sure you are heard LOUD & CLEAR, not by email, but by phone. Specifically, we would like you to call Rep. Bell’s office on Tuesday (May 6) between the hours of 9 AM and 11 AM. (If you can’t call then or miss it, call whenever you can.)

Deliver the following simple message, using voicemail if necessary: “Rep. Bell and other Republican leaders need to remember the gun voters who gave them their majority by giving an immediate hearing to permitless concealed carry in House Bill 5  and Senate Bill 50. We were denied permitless carry in 2023. We expect it in 2025.”
IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED
CALL REP JOHN BELL! 


CONTACT NC House Republican John Bell by phone:   Specifically, we would like you to call Rep. Bell’s office on Tuesday (May 6) between the hours of 9 AM and 11 AM. (If you can’t call then or miss it, call whenever you can!)

Deliver the message below in the “Deliver This Message” Section.

DONATE TO GRNC: We are still low on funds after our highly successful election effort. Please donate by going to: grnc.org/wp/2012/06/donate-to-or-join-grnc/  

CONTACT INFORMATION

Below,  find a the phone number for Rep Bell. Beneath that, in the Deliver This Message section, find the suggested phone message.  Be respectful, but be short and to the point with your phone message/call!

NC HOUSE  REPUBLICAN John Bell

919-715-3017
DELIVER THIS MESSAGE

USE VOICEMAIL IF NECESSARY

“Rep. Bell and other Republican leaders need to remember the gun voters who gave them their majority by giving an immediate hearing to permitless concealed carry in  House Bill 5 and  Senate Bill 50. We were denied permitless carry in 2023. We expect it in 2025.


Respectfully, [your name]

NC Legislators: Advance SB50 and HB5 Now!

With Senate President Pro Tem Phil Berger (R-Guilford, Rockingham) as a co-sponsor of SB50, permitless concealed carry is on the move in North Carolina. This is a big switch from 2023 when Berger said enough pro-gun bills had been passed.

As the Grass Roots North Carolina alert below makes clear, you can help move these bills along. You may need to change the delimiter between email addresses to fit your own email program’s preferences. This is easy to do in MS Word using find and replace. Additionally, I’d suggest using BCC when mailing to the legislators urging the two bills passage in each chamber’s Rules Committee.

From GRNC:

MAKE CONSTITUTIONAL
CARRY NC LAW
Senate Bill 50 (“Freedom to Carry NC”) and House Bill 5 (“NC Constitutional Carry”) are in the process of becoming NC law. We are so thankful to Sen.Berger and Rep Kidwell for their sponsorship and support in this pursuit.

GRNC has been pivotal in this endeavour as we presented a 7,000-signature petition to Berger in a press conference at his office, and thousands of emails were sent to legislators by GRNC supporters.

Additional sponsors for HB 5 are Reps. Jay Adams (R-Catawba, ****), Ben Moss (R-Moore, Richmond, ****) and freshman Brian Echevarria (R-Cabarrus, ****). Additional sponsors for SB 50 are Sens. Danny Britt (R-Hoke, Robeson, Scotland, GRNC ****), Warren Daniel (R-Buncombe, Burke, McDowell ****), and Eddie Settle (R-Alexander, Surry, Wilkes, Yadkin, ****). Both bills are currently in their respective Rules, Calendar and Operations committees.  
IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED!

IMMEDIATELY CONTACT REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP: Contact both Senate President Pro Tem Phil Berger and Speaker Destin Hall to thank them for their support and urge them to give prompt committee hearings to HB 5 and SB 50. Use the links provided in the previous sentence for their contact information. Call and/or email the two leaders to thank them and to encourage them to advance these bills.  

IMMEDIATELY CONTACT ALL RULES COMMITTEE REPUBLICANS: Both Rules Committees (for House and Senate) need to hear loud and clear that you want a prompt committee hearing for HB 5 and SB 50. See contact information below. 

Please send two messages. Below, find two copy-paste email lists, one for the House and one for the Senate. Below that, find the copy-paste email message. 

DONATE TO GRNC:  We are still low on funds after our highly successful election effort. Please donate by going to: grnc.org/wp/2012/06/donate-to-or-join-grnc/  NC HOUSE Rules Committee (copy-paste email list):

Reece.Pyrtle@ncleg.govBlair.Eddins@ncleg.govBrenden.Jones@ncleg.govCharles.Miller@ncleg.govDonna.White@ncleg.govErin.Pare@ncleg.govJimmy.Dixon@ncleg.govJohn.Torbett@ncleg.govJohn.Bell@ncleg.govKarl.Gillespie@ncleg.govKelly.Hastings@ncleg.govKyle.Hall@ncleg.govNeal.Jackson@ncleg.govSarah.Stevens@ncleg.govSteve.Tyson@ncleg.govTed.Davis@ncleg.govTricia.Cotham@ncleg.govWilliam.Brisson@ncleg.gov


NC SENATE Rules Committee (copy-paste email list): 

Amy.Galey@ncleg.govBenton.Sawrey@ncleg.govBill.Rabon@ncleg.govBrent.Jackson@ncleg.govDanny.Britt@ncleg.govLisa.Barnes@ncleg.govMichael.Lazzara@ncleg.govMichael.Lee@ncleg.govNorman.Sanderson@ncleg.govPaul.Newton@ncleg.govRalph.Hise@ncleg.govTodd.Johnson@ncleg.govTom.McInnis@ncleg.govVickie.Sawyer@ncleg.govWarren.Daniel@ncleg.gov 

DELIVER THIS MESSAGE

Suggested Subject: “Advance Constitutional Carry Bills HB 5 & SB 50”   Dear Rules Committee Members: 

As a Grass Roots North Carolina member, I thank you for your support and strongly urge you to give a prompt committee hearing to permitless or “constitutional” carry bills HB 5 and SB 50.

Fully 29 states have already adopted constitutional carry, with none of its naysayers’ dire predictions coming true. In fact, the Crime Prevention Research Center finds a small but significant reduction in violent crime among states which adopt permitless carry.

North Carolina Republicans are now lagging their counterparts in other states. Accordingly, I strongly urge you to bring constitutional carry to a prompt committee hearing and floor vote.

I will be monitoring your actions through Grass Roots North Carolina legislative alerts.

Respectfully, 

Picture Of The Day

The picture of the day is of Speaker Tim Moore (R-NC) who is posing with the official copy of SB 41 signed and stamped with both “veto” and “override”. He looks like a happy camper. He and Senate President Phil Berger made North Carolina gun owners happy campers as well.

SB 41 is now officially known as SL 2023-8. SL stands for Session Law and the General Statues will be updated at the end of the session.

Historical Ignorance Is No Excuse

As philosopher George Santayana wrote, “Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Taken a step further, historical ignorance is no excuse for opposing a law meant to write a wrong.

In this case, it is the 1919 law originally entitled “an act to regulate the sale of concealed weapons in North Carolina.” Both houses of the North Carolina General Assembly have voted to repeal this law and have sent HB 398 to the governor’s desk where it is likely to be vetoed.

One of the leading opponents of the repeal is Sen. Natasha Marcus (D-Mecklenburg). A lawyer and community organizer, Marcus proudly proclaims her membership in Moms Demand Action. She is a graduate of Hamilton College in New York and the Duke University School of Law.

From Marcus campaign website

In her opposition to the repeal, the AP reports this:

The local pistol permit requirement began in 1919 during the Jim Crow era, and some bill supporters argue it’s still preventing law-abiding black residents from obtaining weapons. But a local NAACP leader spoke against the bill earlier Wednesday, and Marcus said such opposition is evidence to her that the current permitting system isn’t racist.

Just because a local NAACP leader spoke against the repeal does not confer racial neutrality upon the law. I’m sure if Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson (R-NC) who is black had condemned the existing law as discriminatory and based upon a desire for white supremacy – which it was – that Sen. Marcus would ignore it and call Lt. Gov. Robinson just a tool of the NRA.

For Sen. Marcus’ edification and education, here are some links that illustrate the history as well as the disparate impact of the law:

By historian Clayton Cramer – North Carolina’s Permit to Purchase Law: The Rumble Seat of Gun Control Laws?

By Nicholas Gallo in the North Carolina Law Review – Misfire: How the North Carolina Pistol Purchase Permit System Misses the Mark of Constitutional Muster and Effectiveness

Finally, a couple from myself – “An Act to Regulate the Sale of Concealed Weapons in North Carolina” – Part I and “An Act to Regulate the Sale of Concealed Weapons in North Carolina” – Part II

I do not hold the fact that Sen. Marcus was born and bred in New York against her. My mother was born and raised in New York and Paul Valone who has been tireless in the fight to overturn this Jim Crow law is also a New York native.

I do hold her ignorance of North Carolina history against her. I also find it contemptuous that she uses the testimony of a NAACP leader as her justification for saying the law is not racist. To be perfectly frank, she couldn’t care less whether it was or was not racist. All that matters to her is that it is gun control of which she is a card carrying supporter.

H652 Over-Ride Vote Wednesday

The vote to over-ride Gov. Roy Cooper’s (D-NC) veto of H652 – Second Amendment Protection Act is scheduled for Wednesday, July 8th.

The bill passed both houses of the North Carolina General Assembly with bi-partisan veto-proof majorities. That is, if the Democrats who voted for the H652 don’t cave to pressure from Gov. Cooper and his anti-gun allies such as the Bloomberg-funded North Carolinians Against Gun Violence (sic).

Looking over the list of Democrats who voted for the bill, you find a majority of them, whether African-American or white, represent areas that are mostly rural. Those areas have many small churches and they invariably have smaller police or sheriff’s departments. I think they realized that this bill contained nothing to endanger students and teachers but rather would help churches protect their congregations from the deranged.

Grass Roots North Carolina has issued an alert asking that these swing voters be contacted. I have added it below:

CONTACT SWING VOTERS NOW, CHURCH CARRY VETO OVERRIDE VOTE IS ON WEDNESDAY
Cooper has never met a gun that he wouldn’t ban. In vetoing a bill that would protect churches from violent sociopaths, as has so far occurred at least three times in other states, Cooper has yet again demonstrated that he is not fit to hold the office of governor.
 
Both the Senate and the House passed the Second Amendment Protection Act
with a veto-proof majority, but Governor Cooper vetoed it anyway.  In his explanation, he stated “This bill allows guns on school property which threatens the safety of students and teachers. Therefore, I veto the bill.”
 
The Governor’s argument makes little sense.  Remember, this bill would allow concealed handgun permit-holders to carry firearms for self-protection in religious institutions which are co-located with educational facilities, provided that: (1) No curricular or extracurricular educational activities are taking place (meaning that no students or teachers are present); and (2) The person in control of the property has not posted a “no guns allowed” sign.
 
We thank the 33 Senators and 77 Representatives who voted “yes” on this bill the first time around, and now we ask these same Senators and Representatives to HOLD STRONG and reiterate their votes during the veto override vote scheduled for Wednesday, July 8.
 
How can you help?  By calling and emailing your Senator and Representative and reminding them that this bill was a good idea the first time they voted for it, and it is still a good idea and you expect them to support it again! 
 
Although no law prohibits concealed carry in religious institutions, those which operate a school are considered to be “educational property,” even when no school is currently operated. As such, concealed firearms are currently prohibited.
 
Recent years have seen no fewer than three cases in which armed parishioners were able to stop murderous rampages by violent sociopaths: 
Colorado Springs, Colorado (12/9/07): Armed church volunteer security member Jeanne Assam shot and wounded rampage killer John Murray, who then committed suicide.
Sutherland Springs, TX: (11/5/17): Armed citizen Stephen Willeford used an AR-15 to exchange fire with murderer Devin Patrick Kelly, wounding him and stopping the rampage.
White Settlement, TX (12/29/19): At the West Freeway Church of Christ, volunteer church security member Jack Wilson stopped rampage killer Keith Thomas Kinnunen seconds after the killing started with a single shot to the head.
The 2nd Amendment Protection Act would: Specifically tailor existing law to allow all churches and places of religious worship to provide for the safety of their congregants.

Protect their congregants by adding a section into existing gun laws that says if a person is legally permitted to carry a concealed handgun, that person can carry a handgun on the property of a church or other place of religious worship provided: (1) No curricular or extracurricular educational activities are taking place; and (2) The person in control of the property has not posted a “no guns allowed” sign.
  Allow all places of religious worship, whether or not they run a school, to offer the same level of protection to congregants.
  Sheriffs will have to issue CHP renewals without retraining if applied for within 60 days of expiration

A refresher course will be available for those who renew 180 days out

EMS personnel, after training, will be allowed to carry

Additional “special” law enforcement employed personnel will be allowed to carry This is not a new concept. Not only has it been offered in previous sessions of the General Assembly, it mirrors what has been in effect for most churches in the state since concealed carry was passed in 1995.  The 2nd Amendment Protection Act will close the loophole that treats some worshippers differently than others and ensure that all can worship safely and freely.
IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED!
Those of us who live in the real world know that mass murderers bent on evil won’t be stopped by silly rules or signs.
This is why you must urge your Senator and Representative to continue to support this life saving legislation.  EMAIL THE SWING VOTERS: Tell them that we need them to reiterate their support for this important piece of legislation for the Safety and security of all North Carolinians.
 
The shootings at New Life Church, First Baptist Church, and West Freeway Church of Christ prove that only a good guy or gal with a gun can stop those bent on pure evil.  Liberty free [gun free] zones only disarm the innocent when seconds count and law enforcement is minutes away.
CONTACT YOUR STATE HOUSE AND SENATE REPRESENTATIVES: Urge them to reiterate their support for this important piece of legislation that will ensure our safety.
PHONE MESSAGE:

My name is ______ and I’m calling to urge you to reaffirm your support for the 2nd Amendment Protection Act, expanding our common sense human right of self-defense in places of worship co-located with educational facilities.  The recent past has shown that mere signs or rules will not stop evil men bent on mass murder.
Armed citizens are the only way to ensure our safety in these situations.  I expect you to live up to your principles and I urge you to support this critical piece of legislation. CONTACT INFO   Swing Voters:
  Chaz.Beasley@ncleg.net; Scott.Brewer@ncleg.net; Jean.Farmer-Butterfield@ncleg.net; Elmer.Floyd@ncleg.net; Charles.Graham@ncleg.net; Joe.John@ncleg.net; Marvin.Lucas@ncleg.net; Garland.Pierce@ncleg.net; Joe.Queen@ncleg.net; Ray.Russell@ncleg.net; Brian.Turner@ncleg.net; Michael.Wray@ncleg.net; Jay.Chaudhuri@ncleg.net; Don.Davis@ncleg.net; Kirk.deViere@ncleg.net; Harper.Peterson@ncleg.net; EricaD.Smith@ncleg.net  

Phone Your Rep:
  Phone your own Representative: CLICK HERE and use your address to find your representative and his/her contact information. Click on the ‘NC House’ radio button. PLEASE CONTRIBUTE TO GRNC: Help us fight gun control while we promote Second Amendment principles. Please CLICK HERE to contribute. Bear in mind that GRNC is an all-volunteer organization, so you can be sure your donations are put to the best possible use. Any amount helps, and any amount is appreciated.  
DELIVER THIS MESSAGE

Suggested Subject:  Support the 2nd Amendment Protection Act   Dear Senator/Representative,   I’m writing to urge you to reaffirm your support for the 2nd Amendment Protection Act.  This will expand the ability for ordinary citizens to carry firearms for self-protection in places of worship which are co-located with educational facilities.
Recent tragedies have shown that a good guy or gal with a gun can be critical in saving lives.   This is true common-sense safety legislation that will protect the public.
Mere signs or rules never deter those of evil intent and mass murder.  These only serve to stop innocent people from ensuring everyone else’s safety. 
I expect you to stand up for everyone’s common sense human rights and support this important step in safety once again. I will continue to monitor your actions on this important issue through alerts from Grass Roots North Carolina.    Respectfully,  

HB652, Second Amendment Protection Act, Passes NC General Assembly

HB 652, the Second Amendment Protection Act, has passed both houses of the North Carolina General Assembly and now goes to the governor for his signature (or veto). The bill was passed with bipartisan support. The vote was 33-14 in the Senate and 77-38 in the House.

The bill would:

  • Allow concealed carry in churches that are also deemed educational property. Person must have NC CHP, it can only be a handgun, it can’t be during school hours, and the church must not be posted against carry. This only applies to private school property.
  • A lapse in a carry permit that is no more than 60 days would not require a person to retake another safety and training class
  • A lapse in a carry permit that is over 60 days and under 180 days would only require a refresher course on carry laws and not a new class
  • Expands the scope of permitted areas of carry in law enforcement facilities for non-sworn officers who have been so designated
  • Allows EMTs to carry concealed if providing tactical medical assistance to law enforcement in emergency situations such as the deployment of a SWAT team. EMTs would be required to have additional training to qualify.

Grass Roots North Carolina is asking that people contact the Governor’s Office and urge Gov. Cooper (D-NC) to sign the bill. The bill did pass with veto proof majorities providing all the Democrats who voted aye maintain their votes.

They ask you to send the following to the Governor’s Email Contact.

Dear Governor Cooper,

I’m writing to urge you to sign the 2nd Amendment Protection Act.  This will expand the ability for ordinary citizens to carry firearms for self-protection in churches which are co-located with educational facilities, provided the property is not controlled by a board of education.

Recent tragedies have shown that a good guy or gal with a gun can be critical in saving lives.   This is true common-sense safety legislation that will protect the public.

Mere signs or rules never deter those of evil intent and mass murder.  These only serve to stop innocent people from ensuring everyone else’s safety.

I expect you to stand up for everyone’s common sense human rights and support this important step in safety. I will continue to monitor your actions on this important issue through alerts from Grass Roots North Carolina.

Respectfully,

It took me 30 seconds or less to do the above. Most of the time was spent filling out my name and contact info.

As you might expect, North Carolinians Against Gun Violence (sic) opposed the bill and wants people to be like sheep led to slaughter. They are asserting it will put school children at risk never minding the actual language of the bill.