Willes Lee Is Balking On Supplemental Deposition

Now that the New York Attorney General’s Office is requesting a supplemental deposition from Willes Lee due to his social media posts, he is balking. This past Friday, September 29th, Sarah Rogers of Brewer, Attorneys and Counselors, filed a “Memorandum of Law in Opposition” to the state’s motion to compel further testimony from Lee. She included a number of exhibits with this filing including an affidavit from Lee. I should note that Rogers represents the NRA including Lee as a member of the Board of Directors.

The Memorandum of Law in Opposition asserts two main issues. First, it is asserted that the NYAG has failed to show “unusual and unanticipated circumstances” within the meaning of the rules of the court. Second, Rogers says that the NYAG would not suffer “substantial prejudice” if they did not have the supplemental deposition from Lee. Rather, she says it is the NRA and its attorneys who would suffer as it impairs their pretrial preparation especially with intervening holidays. I presume she means Thanksgiving, Hannukah, and Christmas but not Halloween.

The majority of the Memorandum is devoted to the first issue. They assert that Lee’s postings are nothing unusual and that he has not suffered any retaliation from the NRA’s leadership. Moreover, even if Lee’s posting provide somewhat contradictory or inconsistent information from his prior depositions, they say this is not grounds to allow a “post-note of issue” supplemental deposition. They then say differences of opinion within a 76-member board are not unusual and are par for the course. The NRA says that if the Attorney General’s Office wishes to question Lee about his postings, then do it during cross-examination at trial.

So while the arguments by the NRA’s attorneys in response to the motion of the Attorney General’s Office are on interpretations of law, I find the affidavit filed by Willes Lee to be of greater interest. He says he is an unpaid volunteer and that a supplemental deposition would place “an unreasonable burden on my personal and professional schedule.” I’m not sure whether a deposition legally could be done by Zoom or WebEx but will note this court has already had hearings using such electronic means.

I found Paragraph Five of the affidavit to be most interesting.

Moreover, contrary to the NYAG’s motion, my recent social media posts are not “unusual.” In fact, ever since first joining the NRA Board, I have raised questions and posed challenges to the NRA’s leadership, and urged other directors to do the same in the service of the NRA’s members. And since I began posting my “challenges” in a public forum, not a single member of the NRA leadership has tried to silence me.

Given the assertions of Lee that he raised questions and challenges to the leadership as well as urged others to do so were at odds with what I understood, I sought out a number of former NRA directors who served on the Board during this period for their impressions. I sent them a copy of the affidavit and asked if the assertions in Paragraph Five correlated with what they saw and heard. The responses I got cast serious doubt on Lee’s assertions.

One director said, ” I still can’t understand how anybody has taken his self-righteous reversal seriously.  He WAS the cabal. He enabled the CABAL.”

Another director who I asked if Lee had done as he said he did responded, “Nope. I only saw him as a cheerleader for the establishment.” A third director said, “If he ever did anything in the way of resistance to their “plans” it was not in my sight.”

Finally, there is this from a fourth director, “Willis never spoke out at any time on any issue ever! Even during the contentious meeting where the BOD had to ratify the bankruptcy filing after the fact, he sat at the head table like a stone.” He went on to add, “Willis was complicit in his silence and bears as much responsibility in the wrong doing as Charles Cotton because he was on the SLC and did not oppose anything that had occurred. It is rich, that after he was removed as an officer, suddenly he found so much wrong doing.”

While the NRA certainly doesn’t wish that Lee be deposed again, I would wager house money that many of the “Friends of Wayne” would cheerfully throw him under the bus after his spate of social media posts. They would agree with the former directors that Lee never challenged the leadership nor encouraged others to do so. I do understand why Lee doesn’t wish to be re-deposed. His social media rants are not under oath unlike his prior depositions. He could be accused of being a hypocrite but perjury would remain off the table. A supplemental deposition under oath might change things along those lines.

Mark Smith Of Four Boxes Diner On Duncan V. Bonta Stay

Second Amendment attorney, author, and blogger Mark Smith just published an analysis of the questions raised by how the 9th Circuit is handling the emergency stay in Duncan v. Bonta. I discussed the nine page ruling in my previous post and the concerns of Judges Butamay and VanDyke. Smith, however, goes right to the rules for how the 9th Circuit is supposed to handle emergency motions like the one from California. The 9th Circuit has two panels comprised of three judges each who rotate on a monthly basis to handle these situations. Until just recently, the names of these judges would have been published on the court’s website.

Smith goes into much more detail in the 12 minute video below. He raises some very good questions and it would be very interesting to know just who were the judges that should have been assigned to this case.

9th Circuit – Rules For You But Not For Us

After Judge Benitez ruled against the State of California on their magazine ban in Duncan v. Bonta, the state filed an emergency motion for a stay pending appeal with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Normally this would have gone to a three judge panel for adjudication. But then again this is the 9th Circuit we are talking about.

Instead it is going to the original en banc panel as a “comeback” which they then granted a temporary stay of Judge Benitez’s ruling. This is the same panel that had ruled against Duncan in 2021. It was appealed to the Supreme Court. After they ruled on Bruen, the 9th Circuit ruling was vacated and the case was remanded to them for proceedings consistent with that decision. They punted it to the District Court, Judge Benitez ruled in favor of Duncan again, and now it is back in the 9th Circuit.

The en banc panel granted the emergency motion for a stay pending appeal. As the dissents make clear, this was highly unusual. Judge Patrick Bumatay said the 9th Circuit should have handled this like any other appeal but didn’t because it involved the Second Amendment. He went on to say that to his knowledge, “no en banc panel of this court has ever handled an emergency administrative stay motion as an initial matter.”

The dissent by Judge Lawrence VanDyke was brutal and should be read in it entirety. Start on page 5 of the decision embedded below. VanDyke had a very unusual background before joining this court. He was the Assistant Solicitor General of Texas and then the Solicitor General for both Montana and Nevada respectively. VanDyke starts off saying he agreed with Judge Bumatay’s concern about the irregularities with the en banc panel taking the case directly. The snark is strong with Judge VanDyke when he said the original panel would only give up control of the case “when it is pried from its cold, dead fingers.”

VanDyke makes the comparison with how the 9th Circuit handles this case with how many courts handled abortion cases pre-Dobbs. The normal rules were tossed out along with the norms of decision making. He called it “abortion distortion” and says the 9th Circuit suffers from the same malady with regard to Second Amendment cases.

Every court has its own rules including deadlines for when an appeal can be filed or an appeals court judge can request an en banc review of the original three judge panel’s decision. Everyone is supposed to follow these rules. That is except the 9th Circuit with regard to 2A cases. After the original three judge panel found in favor of Duncan in 2020, a 9th Circuit judge made the request for an en banc review. That is allowed under the rules but there are deadlines and the deadline for making the request was missed. As VanDyke notes, either the case should have stopped there or the entire court should have made the decision to change the deadline. Neither was done and a backdoor agreement was reached to bring up Duncan to the en banc panel. This was denied to two other cases including one involving the death penalty.

Judge VanDyke said the process used was illegitimate from the start and I would agree. We as a nation are supposed to operate under the rule of law. However, when the rules are freely ignored by the 9th Circuit, or any court for matter, in order to get to the outcome that is desired then the whole concept of the rule of law is brought into question.

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H/T Todd V.